Comments on: PHP is the new VB6 in a C dress http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/ Mr Quinn, one word for your fans? "Ehm, astronaut." Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:05:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: computer science a structured programming approach using c http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-574 computer science a structured programming approach using c Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:39:14 +0000 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-574 <strong>computer science a structured programming approach using c...</strong> It has since been implemented in most other blogging tools. Some weblog software programs, such as Wordpress, Movable Type and Community... computer science a structured programming approach using c…

It has since been implemented in most other blogging tools. Some weblog software programs, such as Wordpress, Movable Type and Community…

]]> By: PHP Sucks | am i works? http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-535 PHP Sucks | am i works? Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:12:07 +0000 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-535 [...] PHP is the new VB6 in a C dress [...] […] PHP is the new VB6 in a C dress […]

]]> By: application framework in vb6 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-533 application framework in vb6 Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:18:36 +0000 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-533 [...] in PHP, and has been for a long time - there??s a simple explanation for that Where I live Swedenhttp://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/VisualBasic.NET support - MonoIf a Visual Basic application requires COM or ActiveX controls, those [...] […] in PHP, and has been for a long time - there??s a simple explanation for that Where I live Swedenhttp://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/VisualBasic.NET support - MonoIf a Visual Basic application requires COM or ActiveX controls, those […]

]]> By: Une Semaine Sur Le Web n°3 | pimp my code http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-335 Une Semaine Sur Le Web n°3 | pimp my code Tue, 27 May 2008 13:40:25 +0000 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-335 [...] PHP is the new VB6 in a C dress, Ruby is a Playground, PHP is a Factory, The future is PHP, PHP Sucks, But It Doesn’t Matter, An Argument for PHP [...] […] PHP is the new VB6 in a C dress, Ruby is a Playground, PHP is a Factory, The future is PHP, PHP Sucks, But It Doesn’t Matter, An Argument for PHP […]

]]> By: Fredrik Holmström http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-328 Fredrik Holmström Mon, 26 May 2008 12:18:28 +0000 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-328 Larry Smith: I can't see where I specifically called someone a script kiddie, it was more a general term I used against all the low-cost / crap PHP developers I see every day around me. You seem to have gotten the same thing wrong as almost everyone else, sure I bashed PHP pretty heavily, and no I don't like the language. But if someone can put up with it and in the end produce a decent bloging software (wordpress) I'm not silly enough to not use it because it's written in a specific language, I just wouldn't want to write one myself in it (but I'll probably end up doing it anyway, what the client wants the client gets, etc.) I meant *most* PHP frameworks, Cake, Symfony, Php on Trax, etc. Not every framework every written in the entire world to any language... Larry Smith: I can’t see where I specifically called someone a script kiddie, it was more a general term I used against all the low-cost / crap PHP developers I see every day around me.

You seem to have gotten the same thing wrong as almost everyone else, sure I bashed PHP pretty heavily, and no I don’t like the language. But if someone can put up with it and in the end produce a decent bloging software (wordpress) I’m not silly enough to not use it because it’s written in a specific language, I just wouldn’t want to write one myself in it (but I’ll probably end up doing it anyway, what the client wants the client gets, etc.)

I meant *most* PHP frameworks, Cake, Symfony, Php on Trax, etc. Not every framework every written in the entire world to any language…

]]> By: Larry Smith http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-325 Larry Smith Mon, 26 May 2008 06:46:57 +0000 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-325 I find it interesting that a script kiddie called me a script kiddie (despite the fact that I have been coding since before this kid was out of junior high). I do agree however that it is a messy language, but if you're going to bash it like that you should run Mephisto or roll your own solution maybe? You are using Wordpress, which is written in PHP. In an ideal world we could write whatever language we want, but if you want to make money you write what your employer or clients want, period. From what I've experienced programming is programing, if this than that. Sorry if that comes off harsh, but it is what it is and people write about what they know, not what they don't. And did you actually say that all frameworks ripped RoR off? To my knowledge similar frameworks have existed since before Rails. I find it interesting that a script kiddie called me a script kiddie (despite the fact that I have been coding since before this kid was out of junior high). I do agree however that it is a messy language, but if you’re going to bash it like that you should run Mephisto or roll your own solution maybe? You are using Wordpress, which is written in PHP. In an ideal world we could write whatever language we want, but if you want to make money you write what your employer or clients want, period. From what I’ve experienced programming is programing, if this than that. Sorry if that comes off harsh, but it is what it is and people write about what they know, not what they don’t.

And did you actually say that all frameworks ripped RoR off? To my knowledge similar frameworks have existed since before Rails.

]]> By: Elegant programming link roundup | Elegant Programming http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-319 Elegant programming link roundup | Elegant Programming Sun, 25 May 2008 21:12:56 +0000 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-319 [...] PHP is NOT elegant? The Realm of Zod argues that it doesn’t matter, it’s the community that counts. Adrian Sutton argues that it’s not the elegance that matters, it’s the results. [...] […] PHP is NOT elegant? The Realm of Zod argues that it doesn’t matter, it’s the community that counts. Adrian Sutton argues that it’s not the elegance that matters, it’s the results. […]

]]> By: chamo http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-310 chamo Sat, 24 May 2008 21:33:29 +0000 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-310 troll detected... troll detected…

]]> By: Fredrik Holmström http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-303 Fredrik Holmström Sat, 24 May 2008 12:11:58 +0000 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-303 Rubayeet: 1) Actually you're wrong, they will be here in 5.3, however namespaces still only solve about half the problems you have with libraries and how to structure them in PHP - and the implementation itself is a bit quirky atm... so yeah not looking forward to it. 2) Of course not, but - the amount of "annoyances" in PHP is staggering compared to every other language I've worked in. 3) What (imaginary?) land do you live in where PHP programmers get the same pay as Java developers for example? And that a language requires you to have self discipline and construct other things that other languages gives your free, I hardly see that as an advantage. 4) So? Am I not allowed to express my thoughts over something I work with all day long? Maybe it is, maybe it's not - I sure hope it's not (unless the php group cleans it up) Rubayeet:

1) Actually you’re wrong, they will be here in 5.3, however namespaces still only solve about half the problems you have with libraries and how to structure them in PHP - and the implementation itself is a bit quirky atm… so yeah not looking forward to it.

2) Of course not, but - the amount of “annoyances” in PHP is staggering compared to every other language I’ve worked in.

3) What (imaginary?) land do you live in where PHP programmers get the same pay as Java developers for example? And that a language requires you to have self discipline and construct other things that other languages gives your free, I hardly see that as an advantage.

4) So? Am I not allowed to express my thoughts over something I work with all day long?

Maybe it is, maybe it’s not - I sure hope it’s not (unless the php group cleans it up)

]]> By: rubayeet http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-302 rubayeet Sat, 24 May 2008 11:26:30 +0000 http://loveandtheft.org/2008/05/20/php-is-the-new-vb6-in-a-c-dress/#comment-302 1) Namespaces will be there in PHP 6. The slow adoption rate of new releases is neither the fault of PHP nor the coder. Have your client update his server to PHP 6, so that he can see how "beautiful" your code is. 2) No language is perfect and hence 'annoyance free'. There are problems inherent in PHP, as well as in C or whatever other language you like to code. You have to wait 3) PHP requires self discipline. It allows script-kiddies to make a quick buck and pay their rent. But that does not mean their are no high-paying PHP jobs. 4) Lastly I am tired of hypocrites like you. You guys code in PHP at day and then go home and write a PHP bashing article, on a blog engine powered by PHP. Shame on you guys! PHP is here to stay. Whether you like it or not. 1) Namespaces will be there in PHP 6. The slow adoption rate of new releases is neither the fault of PHP nor the coder. Have your client update his server to PHP 6, so that he can see how “beautiful” your code is.

2) No language is perfect and hence ‘annoyance free’. There are problems inherent in PHP, as well as in C or whatever other language you like to code. You have to wait

3) PHP requires self discipline. It allows script-kiddies to make a quick buck and pay their rent. But that does not mean their are no high-paying PHP jobs.

4) Lastly I am tired of hypocrites like you. You guys code in PHP at day and then go home and write a PHP bashing article, on a blog engine powered by PHP. Shame on you guys!

PHP is here to stay. Whether you like it or not.

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